DELPHI, Ind. – Jurors heard several phone calls Richard Allen made to family members during Day 12 of testimony in the Delphi murders trial. Allen is charged with four counts of murder in connection with the February 2017 deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German near the Monon High Bridge. Indiana State Police announced his arrest in October 2022. On Day 11 of the trial, the psychologist who treated Allen at Westville Correctional Facility described his living conditions and odd behavior. She also said he made a detailed confession and shared it with the court. On cross-examination, jurors learned the expert had been interested in the Delphi murders case for years and even shared information she found online with Allen. Delphi murders trial: Day-by-day summary of the proceedings Two others briefly took the stand on Wednesday. Steve Mullin, a Carroll County Prosecutor’s Office investigator who previously served as Delphi’s police chief, discussed Allen’s Ford Focus SE and the limited number of similar vehicles registered in the Carroll County area. Brad Weber, the owner of property across the crime scene, said he drove on an access road in his van around 2:30 p.m. on Feb. 13, 2017. That would’ve been around the time of the murders. In Allen’s confession recounted by Wala, he said a van spooked him, leading him to panic and kill the girls. Before the jury entered the courtroom, the prosecution and defense sparred over some exhibits, with the state hoping to admit a few photos taken from Allen’s phone to show what he looked like before his arrest. Special Judge Fran Gull said she would take up the issue after lunch. The discussion then turned to phone calls Allen made from prison. Defense attorney Bradley Rozzi objected that the state was only playing certain portions of one of the calls and maintained that the entire call should be played. Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland countered that under Rozzi’s reasoning, the jury would have to hear every phone call Allen made while in custody. Gull admitted the call over the defense’s objection. State trooper takes the stand The state called Indiana State Police Master Trooper Brian Harshman to the stand. He’s been an investigator with ISP for three decades and said he became involved in the case in April 2020. As part of his work with the case, he listened to approximately 700 phone calls from Allen, with most of them involving his wife or mother. Many of the calls lasted about 30 minutes, according to Harshman, while some were shorter. Allen's calls played in court During a call on Nov. 14, 2022, Allen told his wife if the situation became “too much,” he’d talk to investigators and tell them what they wanted to know. His wife, Kathy, replied, “You need to just hang in there.” “I’m sorry, baby,” Allen responded. “It’s just one more thing I f***** up for you.”  He told her he loved her. In an April 2, 2023, call to his mother, Allen said he found “Jesus” and asked if she had gone to church that day. He also said he hadn’t slept well and could fall asleep during the call. “I didn’t accept God in my life until March 21, 2023,” he said. They both said, “I love you” before the call ended. In an April 3, 2023, call, McLeland said Allen made incriminating comments. He then played the call in court. “I killed Abby and Libby,” Allen told his wife. “No, you didn’t,” Kathy Allen responded. “I think I did,” he said. “They are messing with your mind,” his wife said. “I think I did. I don’t know. I wish they would kill me and let me apologize to the families.” 'I need to know if you still love me' During a May 10, 2023, call, Allen told his wife he thought he was losing his mind. “I need to tell you something any way,” he told his wife. “I need you to know that I did this.” “No, you didn’t, dear,” his wife responded. “There’s no way.” She also suggested her husband was not well. He talked to his wife later that day (May 10). Another call was played in court. “I need to know if you still love me,” Allen said. “Yes, dear,” his wife answered. It sounded like she was crying during the call. “I may have to spend the rest of my life here,” he said. “I just got to know that everybody is still going to love me.” At another point, he says, “If I get the electric chair, will you be there for me?” Next came another confession. “I did it. I did it, dear,” he said. “I’ve got somebody here listening to me, dear. I killed Abby and Libby.” “No, you didn’t,” his wire responded. “Stop saying that!” On a June 5, 2023, call with his wife, Allen again suggested he was losing his mind. “You know that I done it, right?” he asked his wife. In a June 11, 2023, call, Allen again talked to his wife. “I did it,” he said. “Kathy, I did it. Do you still love me?” “Yes, dear, but you didn’t do it,” his wife answered. “You can’t call me and talk like this.” “I’m sorry. I don’t know what I’m doing, like I lost my mind. I feel like I’m already in hell.” The call had long periods of silence, with Allen telling his wife he didn’t mean to upset her. He suggested he was going to have to stop calling her. More testimony from Harshman Once the calls were played in court, McLeland asked Harshman about his investigation. Harshman described Allen’s demeanor as “subdued” and “solemn” during the calls. He testified Allen used the same tone and speech patterns as other calls and said there was no indication he was under stress. Harshman examined a report from Dr. Monica Wala that included Allen’s confession. Allen had said he visited his mother and declined a lunch invitation. He then went home, grabbed a coat and drank three beers. He told Wala he saw the girls on the trail and followed them with the intent to rape them. He ordered them down the hill and messed with his gun, which is when he believed the bullet found at the crime scene may have been ejected. He said a van startled him, prompting him to panic, take the girls across Deer Creek and kill them. Harshman thought the van detail was notable. He wasn’t aware of it, so he conducted further investigation. He went through old reports and learned about Brad Weber, who testified Wednesday and owns property across from the murder scene. Harshman said the old reports didn’t mention Weber's van or what type of van he drove on the day of the murders. He didn't think it was general public knowledge. Harshman talked to Weber and developed a timetable. He knew Libby German’s phone stopped moving at 2:32 p.m. on Feb. 13, 2017. He found out Weber clocked out of work at 2:02 p.m. and it would take 20 to 25 minutes for him to get home. Weber would use North 625 West, taking him past the murder scene. Harshman believed—and Weber testified as much—that Weber would have been in the area between 2:28 p.m. and 2:30 p.m., which lines up with the state’s murder timeline. Allen gave the detailed confession to Wala in May 2023. Harshman didn't read the report until August 2024. The "Bridge Guy" video from Libby German's phone was again played in court. Harshman testified that he believed the voice from the video was Allen's. Rozzi's cross-examination During cross-examination, Rozzi noted there were 14,000 tips in the Delphi case and said there were numerous references—perhaps hundreds—to white vans in evidence turned over during discovery. Rozzi tried to poke holes in Weber's van testimony. He also asked Harshman if he considered Weber a suspect since his van was near the murder scene at the time of the killings. "No," Harshman responded. Rozzi also said in court that Allen was likely on medication during the time of his calls and asked Harshman if that would have an impact on his speech; the investigator didn't know. Rozzi also asked Harshman if he was aware of some of Allen's bizarre behavior while in custody and asked if he'd seen video of him eating feces. "Possibly," Harshman answered. Rozzi asked him if that was "normal behavior." "Not for me," Harshman responded. Rozzi mentioned that Allen was in custody and said, "I'll tell them whatever they want me to say," and asked if it would be unreasonable to think he would just say anything. "That's not my interpretation," Harshman said. Rozzi also asked about one of Allen's early phone calls to his father. That led to an objection from McLeland and a sidebar with Gull. On redirect, McLeland said he wanted to play another call. The court broke for lunch at 12:40 p.m.